apologies for posting in English here. I have a question about the "manufacturing date codes" that are on some (most?) CS releases. A friend and I are currently looking through all of the discogs data and we are finding a few releases where the manufacturing date code and the release year do not match, for example:
My question is: how reliable are these dates? Can I safely assume that (apart from printing errors or when repackaging leftover records) the release year can never be before the manufacturing code, or should even be equal?
The Opus label page explains it (in greater detail than the Supraphon one that I looked at first, maybe thye should be synced?). To make this a useful conversation: would anyone be interested in a list of releases where the manufacturing date year is later than the release year?
gerjolp
the "manufacturing date codes" that are on some (most?) CS releases
On all Czechoslovak releases from 1966 until 1990, with the exception (for a reason unknown to me) of some classical represses/reissues for export that were originally released prior to 1966.
Errors or mistakes do happen, though. I seeing a 1986 release with the date code "68 x". Quite obviously a typo printed on the label. But that seems to be very rare.
Another type of a "correct" mismatch is the one as seen on https://discogs.cinepelis.org/release/1611891/history
The copyright date on the sleeve "beats" the date code on the labels. Obviously Supraphon must have reused older and already pressed vinyl stock with a newly printed picture sleeve. That's quite unusual (usually it was vice versa) but did happen.
All other mismatches are probably Discogs contributors' errors.
gerjolp
the release year can never be before the manufacturing code
Contributor errors, should be corrected to match the date code.
gerjolp
The Opus label page explains it (in greater detail than the Supraphon one that I looked at first, maybe thye should be synced?).
Actually the Opus description is outdated.
I've written them all back in the day, but haven't kept them in sync since.
gerjolp
To make this a useful conversation: would anyone be interested in a list of releases where the manufacturing date year is later than the release year?
You bet! Feel free to post any of your finds here in this thread. We have quite a few Slovak and Czech here who enjoy fixing errors. :)
The following 53 releases have a a release date that is later than the manufacture date, which I guess isn't as big a problem (as the records could have been pressed and then left in storage), but there might still be a few errors in there, so I am just listing them here for completeness (numbers start with 'P' for 'possible'):
gerjolp
the records could have been pressed and then left in storage
As noted, it's an existing scenario. But nonetheless it's relatively unusual due to the (as otherwise known) long printing schedules. Most often, Supraphon would just take any old existing sleeve from stock as packaging, even if the printed subject on sleeve wouldn't match the release at all.
gerjolp
but there might still be a few errors in there
Probably the majority of them are errors caused by sloppy copying to draft. (Happens to me just as well, hehe.)
^^ While looking at this:
Could you do some data mining for any releases tagged with country Czechoslovakia (or Czech Republic) that contain the character ĕ (e breve, U+0115)?
This character is not part of the Czech alphabet and is often erroneously used by foreigners in place of ě (e caron, U+011B). It's not easy to locate otherwise since the Discogs search will substitute any variants with diacritics with a generic e anyway.
I guess it would be better to start a new thread though.
gerjolp
The following releases have a manufacturing date code, but it is appended with "SU" (which likely is not part of the manufacturing date code?):
It is part of the code, but those lists are very interesting otherwise. See https://discogs.cinepelis.org/group/thread/475108
(That said, there may be some other errors just as well, so it's always a Good Thing™ to check them, too.)
loukash
Could you do some data mining for any releases tagged with country Czechoslovakia (or Czech Republic) that contain the character ĕ (e breve, U+0115)?
This character is not part of the Czech alphabet and is often erroneously used by foreigners in place of ě (e caron, U+011B). It's not easy to locate otherwise since the Discogs search will substitute any variants with diacritics with a generic e anyway.
I guess it would be better to start a new thread though.
I will put it on my list and start a new thread about it :-)
Enjoy looking at these releases. I did fix one thing already that was indeed a error (I verified it with the picture), so that will likely happen more.
A bit of positive news: there are also 14,488 releases where the years actually match :-)
SU41 Lucie Bílá - Lucie Bílá
SU42 Olympic (2) - Prázdniny Na Zemi…?
SU43 Karel Gott - Country Album
SU44 Jiří Korn - Zpívat Jako Déšť
SU45 Naďa Urbánková - Naďa
SU46 Hana Zagorová - Cesta Ke Štěstí
SU47 Hana Zagorová - Tobě, Tebe, Ti
SU48 Božena Němcová - Pohádky Boženy Němcové 3
SU49 Felix Slováček, Ladislav Štaidl Se Svým Orchestrem* - Felix Slováček III.
SU50 Various - Písně Dlouhých Cest
SU51 Eva Olmerová & The Traditional Jazz Studio* - Eva Olmerová
SU52 Noví Pěvci Madrigalů A Komorní Hudby A Komorní Instrumentální Soubor , Řídí Miroslav Venhoda - České Vánoční Koledy / Koledy Evropských Národů
SU53 Jiří Voskovec a Jan Werich*, Jaroslav Ježek, Ježkův Orchestr Osvobozeného Divadla* - To Bylo Osvobozené Divadlo 1 (1928 ▪ 1933)
SU54 Wabi Daněk - Vítr
SU55 Vladimír Menšík - Večer S Vladimírem Menšíkem (II)
SU56 Michal Tučný & Tučňáci - Jak Chcete Žít Bez Koní
SU57 Jiří Zmožek - Mys Dobrých Nadějí
SU58 Václav Hybš - Václav Hybš A Jeho Hosté 2 - Malá Sváteční Hudba
SU59 Josef Suk , Orchestr Václav Hybš Orchestra - Josef Suk • Václav Hybš Orchestra
SU60 Jiří Brabec A The Country Beat* - Hrají 12 Zlatých Hitů
SU61 Various - S Kytarou Po Velké Řece
SU62 Václav Čtvrtek - Pohádkové Postavičky Václava Čtvrtka
SU63 Karel Gott - Country Album
SU64 Olympic (2) - 12 Nej…
SU65 Olympic (2) - 12 Nej…
SU66 Petra Janů, Pro-Rock - Exploduj !
SU67 Apelsin - Apelsin
SU68 Barnodaj - Mauglí
SU69 Petr Spálený - Dítě Štěstěny
SU70 Marie Rottrová - 12x
SU71 Various - Pohádky (VIII) Kocour Vavřinec A Jeho Přátelé / Jánošíkova Kuželka
SU72 Various - Poslouchejte Pohádky
SU73 Zelenáči* - Pod Liščí Skálou
SU74 Jára Cimrman - Dlouhý, Široký A Krátkozraký (Pohádka, Která U Dětí Propadla)
Thanks a lot for the effort. Actually there exist some more releases with SU manufacturing codes (I know of about 110 of them) which means that the LPs were pressed in the USSR by Melodiya, with the Russian matrix number. However, there are some releases (SU3 in your list) which nevertheless has the Czech matrix and at the same time the code SU - could be a typo or probably they indeed used a master disc produced in Czechoslovakia.
The reason why the years do not match could be because of the following: the original LP could be released in limited number of copies and then because of the growing demand Supraphon would order a re-release (which could be done one or two or even more years after the original LP had been released). Melodiya only pressed the records, not the picture sleeves - therefore a mismatch in the years on the sleeve and the LP itself). But this is just my assumption.
I also found some releases in your list, where, unfortunately, the Melodiya matrix numbers are not listed - do you think you could help me in locating those (in your list - SU 30, 42, 43, 45, 48, 53, 62, 63, 71, 72, 74). Would be most grateful
melodist
I also found some releases in your list, where, unfortunately, the Melodiya matrix numbers are not listed - do you think you could help me in locating those (in your list - SU 30, 42, 43, 45, 48, 53, 62, 63, 71, 72, 74). Would be most grateful
Unfortunately I cannot help with those: unless it is somewhere in the database I cannot find it. I guess that someone with the actual physical copies would need to help out there.
I am not surprised that I missed things, as I purely worked from the available data and it turns out that people are quite sloppy when entering (or not entering) information in the database. Garbage in, garbage out :-)
Thanks anyway, will try to people who ed these to discogs -hopefully they possess the actual physical copies. Can't agree more that people are quite sloppy when it comes to categorising, and I have seen quite a few errors made as well.
You might be interested in looking through these as well - http://records.su/tag/SUPRAPHON
Should there be anything you could add, feel free to me.
Pošumavská Dechovka Lesanka - Už Troubějí Na Horách Jeleni / Vraný Koníček
Josef Zíma, Dechová Hudba Supraphon, J. Bauer* - Škoda Lásky / Kde Jsi Mé Mládí
Dušan Grúň, Oľga Szabová - Delilah / Dvadsať Dní A Dvadsať Nocí
Gustav Brom Orchestra - Tancujte S Nami (Dance With Us)
And it seems that for some of these releases the contributor violently disagrees with what loukash claims about manufacturing dates ;-)
Iveta Bartošová - Když Láska Schází / Dva Roky Prázdnin
Eva Sepešiová / Antonín Gondolán - Priaďmeže Len, Priaďme / Matka Umiera
Zora Kolínska / Ivo Heller - Malá Nočná Hudba / Michaela
Smetana*, Smetana Quartet - String Quartets
Dvořák*, Radoslav Kvapil - Dvořák Piano Works
Brno Brass Band - Brno Brass Band
Orchester Gustava Offermanna* & Ľudovít Nosko, Darina Kerová - Karneval / Pozdravím Ťa Piesňou
Peter Dvorský - Peter Dvorský
Karol Konárik - Mrazivý Dych / Vravím Ti Posledný Raz
Blue Effect* - Nová Syntéza - New Synthesis
Josef Kolář - Kater Schnurr Mit Den Blauen Augen 1
loukash
gerjolpKarel Jaromír Erben - Pohádky K. J. Erbena
Prokofiev* / Tchaikovsky* - Prague Quartet* - String Quartet No. 2 / String Quartet No. 1
Those two have each two different date codes printed, so the newer code takes precedence as the release year.
That is a bit hard to automate detection for, except if I would start on things like image recognition and OCR. That's a bridge too far :-)
