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Good news for all Discogs contributors who may finally want to clear various technical details about GeorgeZ_CZ. He is willing to occasionally reply to queries concerning GZ matrices and pressings. Feel free to post your questions here in this thread (no PMs please!), but please be patient since he will be following this thread only in his free time.

Probably need to fix the info on Precision Record Pressing, Toronto, ON. If the Precision scheme doesn't specifically mean they pressed it, this credit shouldn't be used. Maybe we should treat both companies like we do RTI, "Mastered At" unless specifically stated on the release.

"records pressed at Precision can be identified by a number that begins with 10- followed by five digits (example 10-83451). "
Most of time it is correctly "Pressed By - Precision Record Pressing, Toronto, ON", but in case of more complicated products (e.g. some color combinations), it is only brokered to GZ Media so it should be stated as "Manufactured By - Precision Record Pressing, Toronto, ON" then, because the exact pressing is done at GZ Media.
"Mastered At" should be used as an additional clarification for records having our GZ matrix numbering scheme (which means stampers created from our metal parts aka "Plated At"), but not being pressed at GZ Media (e.g. PRP or MRP). Often also DMM cut here, but not in all cases. I think it is redundant to state both "Pressed By - GZ Media" and "Mastered At - GZ Media".

GeorgeZ_CZ
"records pressed at Precision can be identified by a number that begins with 10- followed by five digits (example 10-83451). "
Most of time it is correctly "Pressed By - Precision Record Pressing, Toronto, ON", but in case of more complicated products (e.g. some color combinations), it is only brokered to GZ Media so it should be stated as "Manufactured By - Precision Record Pressing, Toronto, ON" then, because the exact pressing is done at GZ Media.
"Mastered At" should be used as an additional clarification for records having our GZ matrix numbering scheme (which means stampers created from our metal parts aka "Plated At"), but not being pressed at GZ Media (e.g. PRP or MRP). Often also DMM cut here, but not in all cases. I think it is redundant to state both "Pressed By - GZ Media" and "Mastered At - GZ Media".

Which is exactly why GZ, MRP, and Precision should all be Mastered at, because of the ambiguity to anyone that isn't an employee.

For releases with the RTI runouts we use "Mastered At" because the scheme doesn't specifically mean they pressed it, unless mentioned on the release, just like these numbers.

You have said via Steve Hoffman forums that "The so called matrix (stamper) numbers are not exactly matrix (stamper) numbers, but metal parts numbers - either for metal mothers or DMM copper plates."

So if these numbers don't specifically mean "Pressed At", I don't feel we should be using this credit for ANY GZ release unless "Pressed at/by GZ" is on the release.

"Manufactured By" tag is recommended by me on many releases according to the consensus on this forum that for brokers or companies supervising the production can be used this tag, as it is used for our exclusive broker/partner Pirates Press. This tag should be used in case of any uncertainty of which plant pressed the particular title/release having GZ runout ID info + MRPxxxx IDs or + 10-xxxxxx IDs of PRP.

Unfortunately, there is no exclusive indication that particular records were pressed here or there. The rule can be that black LPs are pressed at PRP or MRP and color variants and more complex orders are fullfilled here at GZ. It is cheaper and easier to press most color records here where we have all the vinyl compound production and testing facilities than to send the special color compound overseas. I think our "sister factories" will produce more color records when we will supply them with some color compound in the future.

Sometimes you can identify a MRP pressing thanks to details of some additional hand etched matrix numbers/characters in the runout area. GZ and PRP still have no stampers identification marks = all stampers from the same nickel mother or the same CU plate looks same with the same runout IDs. Therefore my recommendation to insert only the "Manufactured By" PRP or MRP tag and not the "Pressed By" PRP or MRP tag for releases with PRP IDs and MRP + GZ IDs.

I think the "Mastered At" should be used (in addition to audio mastering studios which is the original meaning of that tag) only for plants who are able to do galvanics work = electroforming. GZ does it, PRP and MRP cannot as they have no own galvanics department (yet). It would be better to introduce a "Plated At" tag later, but I understand it need more discussion and consensus here.

Finally, if there are ONLY GZ "matrix" numbers without any MRPxxxx IDs and without any 10-xxxx PRP IDs then it should be added as "Pressed By - GZ Media - xxxxx" as it is 99.999% correct.

Hello GeorgeZ_CZ. Thank you for your time and effort to answer questions here.
On this Triumph (2) - Allied Forces I see hand-etched "CM" on both sides. Do you know what those stand for?
I couldn't find a reference in the label info. Or I looked in the wrong place?

Hand etched info in runout could be sometimes interpreted as initials of an engineer or a studio responsible for cutting master plates (often lacquers, but may be DMM plates as well) for that particular release. We didn't cut plates for this release.

Rising
Hello GeorgeZ_CZ. Thank you for your time and effort to answer questions here.
On this Triumph (2) - Allied Forces I see hand-etched "CM" on both sides. Do you know what those stand for?
I couldn't find a reference in the label info. Or I looked in the wrong place?

Could be Chris Muth

Hello George

Is GZ Media ? We're sort of forced to split credits here when seeing this web address stamped (instead of crediting directly GZ Media), but I always thought it's just a way of promoting GZ's url rather than actual company name?

GZ Vinyl is a vinyl division of GZ Media and no, it is not a separate company with a different ID. Our web www.gzvinyl.com is totaly different to www.gzmedia.com both visually and regarding its content and target audience, but they are linked together. There is no reason to split credits. The web can be mentioned in Notes or Runout if you have such a rule here, but it should not be present among Companies. GZ Media is the company name now and it is very clear that all our records are physically manufactured by our vinyl division having this internal brand name GZ Vinyl and using that yellow/brown circular logo you can see on the web. Yes, the www in runout was just a way of promoting GZ as a producer of vinyl records.

loukash
Good news

+1
Thx,

GeorgeZ_CZ
"Manufactured By"

Do my job at Death From Above* - Outrage! Is Now tomorrow, now I'm drunken,
cheers and regards, yw

zin
Is www.gzvinyl.com an actual company / part of GZ Media ? We're sort of forced to split credits here when seeing this web address stamped (instead of crediting directly GZ Media), but I always thought it's just a way of promoting GZ's url rather than actual company name?

GeorgeZ_CZ
There is no reason to split credits. The web can be mentioned in Notes or Runout if you have such a rule here, but it should not be present among Companies. GZ Media is the company name now and it is very clear that all our records are physically manufactured by our vinyl division having this internal brand name GZ Vinyl and using that yellow/brown circular logo you can see on the web. Yes, the www in runout was just a way of promoting GZ as a producer of vinyl records.

I would say that most of us s are well aware of what "www.gzvinyl.com" really is, i.e. a simple web URL meant to (!) the actual manufacturer, not an entity by itself. But the sad "alternate reality" of Discogs is that the fake "https://discogs.cinepelis.org/forum/thread/332342?page=2#3174821

However, it should be noted that the database manager then wrote:

nik
Please use www.gzvinyl.com for now.

(Emphasis mine.)

Since we now have George's first-hand confirmation that a verbatim entity "www.gzvinyl.com" is in fact nonsense, I'd suggest that the era of "for now" should now come to an end, because now we actually do know better.

^ can't agree more! I think this aspect of the database needs looking at again, and guidelines update should follow.

Hallelujah!

loukash
Since we now have George's first-hand confirmation that a verbatim entity "www.gzvinyl.com" is in fact nonsense, I'd suggest that the era of "for now" should now come to an end, because now we actually do know better.

Yes and I wonder who will edit all the releases with www.gzvinyl.com :-)
In fact, many such releases should have "Manufactured By - company X" instead of www.gzvinyl.com, because they were manufactured through some brokers and allowed to leave our web addvertisment there instead of their web or their name. It is uneasy to find these brokers unless it was stated somewhere on artwork or web pages of the label.

All this certainly makes things very complicated and difficult to follow for those not into runouts and mastering, plating, pressing...
I have updated the Runout thread as follows:
For MRP: When combination with a GZ Media number, e.g. 157850E, use Manufactured By - MRP and Pressed By - GZ Media.
For PRP: Black vinyl only, and in combination with a GZ Media number, e.g. 157850E.
For coloured vinyl, use Manufactured By - GZ Media.
For Pirates Press: When in combination with a GZ Media number, e.g. 157850E, Pressed By - GZ Digital Media can be added.

GeorgeZ_CZ
It is uneasy to find these brokers unless it was stated somewhere on artwork or web pages of the label.

So, www.gzvinyl.com in the runouts means exactly what then?

sebfact
All this certainly makes things very complicated and difficult to follow for those not into runouts and mastering, plating, pressing...

As always, keep in mind that this all is not mandatory data. Any submitter who doesn't know which is which and who did what, they can (they don't even must) simply record the verbatim matrix string(s) as an identifier and that's it.

MRP: They have some additional internal stamper IDs, e.g. etched A4, B1, C2. Therefore records with such etched IDs were really pressed at Memphis Record Pressing:
https://discogs.cinepelis.org/Audioslave-Audioslave/release/10722169
But it cannot be said that records without these additional IDs weren't pressed there.
I will correct pressing/manufacturing info for a particular release if necessary.

GeorgeZ_CZ
manufactured through some brokers

What company was / is "ACL Lewis" - another broker?

sebfact
All this certainly makes things very complicated and difficult to follow for those not into runouts and mastering, plating, pressing...
I have updated the Runout thread as follows:
For MRP: When combination with a GZ Media number, e.g. 157850E, use Manufactured By - MRP and Pressed By - GZ Media.
For PRP: Black vinyl only, and in combination with a GZ Media number, e.g. 157850E.
For coloured vinyl, use Manufactured By - Precision Record Pressing, Toronto, ON and Pressed By - GZ Media.
For Pirates Press: When in combination with a GZ Media number, e.g. 157850E, Pressed By - GZ Media / GZ Digital Media can be added.

GeorgeZ_CZ
I will correct pressing/manufacturing info for a particular release if necessary.

OK whats with GeorgeZ_CZ adviced:
Manufactured By – Precision Record Pressing, Toronto, ON – 10-83608
Pressed By – GZ Media – 159603E

Regards

I've already corrected it. Now it is ok. Read submission notes.
Don't rely 100%ly on any generalized statement. There can be always exceptions from a rule.

GeorgeZ_CZ
I've already corrected it. Now it is ok. Read submission notes.
Don't rely 100%ly on any generalized statement. There can be always exceptions from a rule.

?

Sorry, misunderstanding of non-native English speaker. You corrected that release, I did it for the two other ones. I just wanted to point out that the black version wasn't pressed at PRP in this case even if the "new rules" urge it.

sebfact
GeorgeZ_CZmanufactured through some brokersWhat company was / is "ACL Lewis" - another broker?

Could you send some links to several releases? I don't know that name.
More to releases with MRPxxxx codes + GZ codes present: Pressed By will be better as a default tag because they press most of their titles there,esp. if additional etched stampers IDs are present there. https://discogs.cinepelis.org/forum/thread/759619#7536539

sebfact
For PRP: Black vinyl only, and in combination with a GZ Media number, e.g. 157850E.
For coloured vinyl, use Manufactured By - Precision Record Pressing, Toronto, ON and Pressed By - GZ Media.

So is it OK if I update the PRP page to indicate the above info as well, with a caveat that there could be exceptions?

dianardo
So is it OK if I update the PRP page to indicate the above info as well, with a caveat that there could be exceptions?

Yes, with links to corrected examples:

LCCN examples:
1) Black release:
https://discogs.cinepelis.org/Broken-Social-Scene-Hug-Of-Thunder/release/10533544
Mastered At = GZ Media 157850E
Pressed By = Precision Record Pressing, Toronto ON 10-83451
or
2) Color release:
https://discogs.cinepelis.org/Broken-Social-Scene-Hug-Of-Thunder/release/10532160
Pressed By = GZ Media 157850E
Manufactured By = Precision Record Pressing, Toronto ON 10-83451

When (at what point in the process) the matrix numbers are assigned (possibly different for various formats). Is it done strictly chronologically, one at a time for each release or in batches for the same customer?. Perhaps some are reserved or reused for cancelled pressings? Basically, how reliable is sequencing the manufacturing order by matrix number?

GeorgeZ_CZ
Could you send some links to several releases? I don't know that name.

Various - Jukebox Mambo: Rumba & Afro-Latin Accented Rhythm & Blues 1949-1960 also has a GZ number. All others are 7" singles without GZ reference but are from the UK and were released between 2010 and 2013.

amad65
When (at what point in the process) the matrix numbers are assigned (possibly different for various formats). Is it done strictly chronologically, one at a time for each release or in batches for the same customer?. Perhaps some are reserved or reused for cancelled pressings? Basically, how reliable is sequencing the manufacturing order by matrix number?

Master plate numbers (more exact than so called matrix numbers) consist of a sequencial "premaster" part, a format character, a side number, one slash and copper/mother plate index characters. The numerical premaster part is generated by our information system during inserting a new order into the system, so yes, there can be some gaps in numbering due to canceled orders or wrongly inserted orders which needs to be comnpletely redone from scratch. No reusing ot them. Represses or reissues can have the same numbers and can differ only by copper plate/mother plate index chars.

Hand etched info had to be present yet on lacquers or mother plates. So probably a cutting engineer named Lewis. ACL may be a name or an abbreviation of his mastering studio or a metalwork/galvanics facility (less probable).

Another collaboration was between www.agrm.co.uk and GZ.

Of course, it is not a brand, only an ment of AGR company. Any customer can order his own text (or web) to be engraved in runout of his records.

GeorgeZ_CZ
Sorry, misunderstanding of non-native English speaker. You corrected that release, I did it for the two other ones. I just wanted to point out that the black version wasn't pressed at PRP in this case even if the "new rules" urge it.

This is getting more and more confusing....
Further up in the thread you told us that, for Precision Toronto, records on black vinyl with PRP number 10-##### and GZ number were pressed at PRP and Mastered at GZ, while coloured vinyl was mastered and pressed at GZ. In the submission notes of Death From Above* - Outrage! Is Now you argue the other way round. Based on what ?

Anyway, I will modify the MRP / PRP / GZ entries in the runout thread to Pressed By, unless a GZ number is present.
For those cases, I will simply link to this thread and people may hopefully be able to figure out from the contradictory statements what company role applies.

sebfact
This is getting more and more confusing....
Further up in the thread you told us that, for Precision Toronto, records on black vinyl with PRP number 10-##### and GZ number were pressed at PRP and Mastered at GZ, while coloured vinyl was mastered and pressed at GZ. In the submission notes of Death From Above* - Outrage! Is Now you argue the other way round. Based on what ?

Anyway, I will modify the MRP / PRP / GZ entries in the runout thread to Pressed By, unless a GZ number is present.
For those cases, I will simply link to this thread and people may hopefully be able to figure out from the contradictory statements what company role applies.

I agree...it's to the point that these numbers really don't mean anything unless we have the secret decoder ring. What was originally going to be a 5% change of info has turned into corrections of almost every sub I've done with these companies.

Since no s other than GeorgeZ has access to the meaning of these numbers, I have to say that "Manufactured At/By" should really be the only credit added to the sub if any of these schemes appear in the runouts together.

I also don't agree with the changing of our temp "Plated At" - This has been "Mastered At" for a while now, and changing this for one company and not others seems to be the wrong way to go.

from edit of Popol Vuh - Agape-Agape / Love-Love:

Changed Pressed By, added Manufactured By, removed Mastered At (plating included in Pressed By)

The example above is one of the black vinyl pressings that were supposedly pressed at PRP because it's on regular black.

sebfact
Further up in the thread you told us that, for Precision Toronto, records on black vinyl with PRP number 10-##### and GZ number were pressed at PRP and Mastered at GZ, while coloured vinyl was mastered and pressed at GZ. In the submission notes of Death From Above* - Outrage! Is Now you argue the other way round. Based on what ?

See comments there https://discogs.cinepelis.org/release/10821858-Outrage!-Is-Now/history#latest

All releases under PRP and most recent releases under MRP profiles have been checked by me and corrected if necessary.

leeving
I have to say that "Manufactured At/By" should really be the only credit added to the sub if any of these schemes appear in the runouts together.

As long as there's no one (like George) who can confirm a more precise role based on "insider knowledge", I think that's a good idea for any submissions. "Manufactured By" is a relatively neutral and generic term that may include all stages of the process. The more precise roles like "Pressed By" or "Mastered At" can always be added at a later date after being confirmed by an insider from either company or artist involved.

MRP recommendation summarized here: https://discogs.cinepelis.org/label/833505-Memphis-Record-Pressing/history#latest

leeving
I agree...it's to the point that these numbers really don't mean anything unless we have the secret decoder ring.

Which is in fact the GZ IT system...

leeving
Since no s other than GeorgeZ don't have access to the meaning of these numbers, I have to say that "Manufactured At/By" should really be the only credit added to the sub if any of these schemes appear in the runouts together.

I agree.
Statements like "I can see pressing of THIS black release in our information system. IN THIS CASE, black records were pressed at GZ, this is an exeption to the new rule." aren't really convincing me that a rule could be defined.

leeving
from edit of Popol Vuh - Agape-Agape / Love-Love:

Changed Pressed By, added Manufactured By, removed Mastered At (plating included in Pressed By)

The example above is one of the black vinyl pressings that were supposedly pressed at PRP because it's on regu

Actually I don't see anything being changed on https://discogs.cinepelis.org/release/10300515-Agape-Agape-Love-Love/history?diff=8&page=1
Possibly an editing error or bug?

loukash
As long as there's no one (like George) who can confirm a more precise role based on "insider knowledge", I think that's a good idea for any submissions. "Manufactured By" is a relatively neutral and generic term that may include all stages of the process. The more precise roles like "Pressed By" or "Mastered At" can always be added at a later date after being confirmed by an insider from either company or artist involved.

I think it should be "as on release" just like how we do with the RTI scheme. i.e. "Mastered At" unless specifically stated "Pressed at" on the release. While I appreciate having the insider knowledge, it has made things more convoluted than it was before.

loukash


Actually I don't see anything being changed on https://discogs.cinepelis.org/release/10300515-Agape-Agape-Love-Love/history?diff=8&page=1
Possibly an editing error or bug?

it's a bug...I'm not seeing any changes on edits tonight.

sebfact
I agree.
Statements like "I can see pressing of THIS black release in our information system. IN THIS CASE, black records were pressed at GZ, this is an exeption to the new rule." aren't really convincing me that a rule could be defined.

This is the problem I was foreseeing 5 days ago.

leeving
it's a bug...I'm not seeing any changes on edits tonight.

Maybe my fault, I'm not sure. There were many releases to check...
That release is correct now.

leeving
it's a bug...I'm not seeing any changes on edits tonight.

GeorgeZ_CZ
Maybe my fault, I'm not sure. There were many releases to check...
That release is correct now.

Just a bug...
https://discogs.cinepelis.org/forum/thread/760226

leeving
it's a bug...I'm not seeing any changes on edits tonight.

I've noticed some of those issues as well in the past few days. That's a recurring problem, usually servers being out of sync.

leeving
I think it should be "as on release" just like how we do with the RTI scheme. i.e. "Mastered At" unless specifically stated "Pressed at" on the release.

The term "Mastered At" (and "Mastered By", for that matter) has become quite meaningless as of now. It can be anything, from simply burning audio files to a CDR, to complex tasks like cutting plates for pressing vinyl. Heck, even I have been using the "Mastered At – loukash.com" LCCN role just because I have mastered (as in: digitally processing audio files and creating DDP images) a couple of CDs in my 12 m2 backyard studio. :) But did I manufacture anything there? Of course not.

That's why "Manufactured By" is the more appropriate term to use if more specific details are not known.

leeving
it has made things more convoluted than it was before

Welcome to the real world, outside the Cozy Discogs Universe™. ;)

Ok at Death From Above* - Outrage! Is Now

sebfact

No, here it is the other way around: Pressed by PRP, Mastered At GZ Media. Coloured vinyl was mastered and pressed by GZ.

and

GeorgeZ_CZ

IN THIS CASE, black records were pressed at GZ, this is an exeption to the new rule.

Must I add here 'Mastered At GZ Media' too?
Regards

punkergott
Ok at Death From Above* - Outrage! Is Now
Must I add here 'Mastered At GZ Media' too?

Oh no, there is Pressed By - GZ Media. It is enough. There is no rule to insert Mastered At credit if plating and pressing is done in the same plant AFAIK. Imagine editing all releases having GZ IDs...

"Mastered At - GZ Media" was added by me to the releases pressed elsewhere (PRP or MRP) and having GZ IDs in runout. I did it according to the consensus stated on the old PRP profile and also to explain why these GZ IDs are present on such releases = only as a proof for plating (electroforming) process done at GZ.

GeorgeZ_CZ
Yes, with links to corrected examples:

OK, I've updated the PRP page as indicated by George for now. If a consensus emerges otherwise, such as using Manufactured By for all GZ/PRP pressings, then we can update the PRP page again at that time.

Some GZ/PRP pressing statistics from discog releases:
Black records: PRP = 43, GZ = 4 + 6 SP
Color records: GZ = 26, PRP = 8 incl. 1 picture disc

Hey Sportsfan - Extended Plays) if you wouldn't mind validating the company roles? Thanks.

Good morning,
diskussion at Vibravoid - Live At Finkenbach Festival 2015.
Runout shows clear:
Matrix / Runout: 136870E1/A
Matrix / Runout: 136870E2/A
Matrix / Runout: 136870E3/A
Matrix / Runout: 136870E4/A
Matrix / Runout: 136870E5/A
Matrix / Runout: 136870E6/A
So pressed by - psych-flower add
Manufactured By – Giraffe Pressings
After my question for the source the answer was:

psych-flower
Hi the source is the invoice given to the customer.
The galvanics/matrix differs from pressing

A.) GeorgeZ_CZ
can you confirm this one
and
B.) whats with
RSG §1.1.2. Sources of information external to the release itself may be added, but the physical release must always be the main source.

Found this on the webpage
http://www.giraffepressings.com/gallery/vibravoid-live-at-finkenbach-festival/
So is it really Manufactured or is it the lacquer cut?

and did we follow
RSG §1.1.2. [...] External sources of the information (for example websites, word of mouth, books etc) must be declared in the submission notes, explained in the release notes, and be verifiable as far as possible.

or is the first sentence as above and this one
Unsubstantiated information may be removed or rejected. External information should only be entered where it adds to the release information (for example, track names where none are given on the release). This is to ensure that only verified real releases are entered, and the data is as close as possible in relation to the physical release. Please see the credit section for how to enter credits that are sourced externally.
vaild?
Regards

Ps The ANV for the credit roles are false to.
PPs The format to.

Precision Record Pressing profile states that we should add it in this format:
Mastered At = GZ Media
Pressed By = Precision Record Pressing

shouldn't the GZ Media role be Lacquer By though? or Mastered is fine?

One long thread is here: https://discogs.cinepelis.org/forum/thread/708893
Companies should have Xxxxx At, individuals have Xxxxx By (either Lacquer Cut or Mastered or Plated)
There is no "DMM Cutting At" yet, so "Mastered At" is a compromise created according to consensus in the mentioned thread

Good morning GeorgeZ_CZ
Could you please confirm where Eno - Here Come The Warm Jets was pressed? We currently have the following in LCCN:
Lacquer Cut At – Abbey Road Studios
Pressed By – Precision Record Pressing – 10-83837
Mastered At – GZ Media – 164344E

Here are the runouts:
Matrix / Runout (Side A, Stamped): 10-83837/2557951677-A 164344E1/A
Matrix / Runout (Side A, Etched): BH82646-01A1 ENOLP1 MILES.ABBEY ROAD.ROOM 30.
Matrix / Runout (Side B, Stamped): 1083837/2557951677-B 164344E2/A
Matrix / Runout (Side B, Etched): BH82646-01B1 ENOLP1

Hello GeorgeZ_CZ
Could you help to solve this issue with a GZ number? https://discogs.cinepelis.org/release/10749518-Snakes-Liars/history
Thanks.

dianardo
Good morning GeorgeZ_CZ
Could you please confirm where Eno - Here Come The Warm Jets was pressed? We currently have the following in LCCN:
Lacquer Cut At – Abbey Road Studios
Pressed By – Precision Record Pressing – 10-83837
Mastered At – GZ Media – 164344E

Here are the runouts:
Matrix / Runout (Side A, Stamped): 10-83837/2557951677-A 164344E1/A
Matrix / Runout (Side A, Etched): BH82646-01A1 ENOLP1 MILES.ABBEY ROAD.ROOM 30.
Matrix / Runout (Side B, Stamped): 1083837/2557951677-B 164344E2/A
Matrix / Runout (Side B, Etched): BH82646-01B1 ENOLP1

Also should have an Optimal credit in there, too. "BH82646"

Found on GZ Digital Media (based on the job numbers in the runouts).

Should I credit www.importantrecords.com for any role? Manufactured By? Or just take it as a label identifier in the way that matrix numbers derived from a label's catalogue number (of which there are none on this record) are?

Hello GeorgeZ_CZ
Have I got this one right?
https://discogs.cinepelis.org/The-Dears-No-Cities-Left/release/10876200
Mastered (plated) at GZ, pressed at Precision?

andrenafulva
...Should I credit www.importantrecords.com for any role? Manufactured By?...

This title was manufactured by our Pirates Press broker, but they decided to put a different text in the runout. They can choose anything according to the customer's wish,

GeorgeZ_CZ
This title was manufactured by our Pirates Press broker, but they decided to put a different text in the runout. They can choose anything according to the customer's wish,

Thank you very much!

Hello GeorgeZ_CZ,

Please refer to this thread here: https://discogs.cinepelis.org/forum/thread/771514

I'm trying to figure out if the following releases should just be considered variants or if there is something more unique/special about the ending digit (the "galvanoplasty" code)?

Yob - Clearing The Path To Ascend


For example, these are the three different Side C matrix codes. Does the /I, /D, or /F indicate anything unique?

Version 1: Matrix / Runout (Side C): PIRATES PRESS - RR7269-1 C 119525E3/I
Version 2: Matrix / Runout (Side C): PIRATES PRESS - RR7269-1 C 119525E3/D
Version 3: Matrix / Runout (Side C): PIRATES PRESS - RR7269-1 C 119525E3/F


And if two sides of the same disc have different galvanoplasty codes, what does that mean?

Matrix / Runout (Side C): PIRATES PRESS - RR7269-1 C 119525E3/F
Matrix / Runout (Side D): PIRATES PRESS - RR7269-1 D 119525E4/C


Thanks!

New "galvanoplasty code" (letters just after the slash) means a new cut was made, either a lacquer one (rarely) or a dmm one. It is done typically when stampers are worn out and the positive metal part, either a nickel mother or a copper DMM plate, is not available anymore (reissues) or has been damaged during the manufacturing process or warehousing, and no new stampers with the same code can be produced. It should have been cut with the exactly same mastering/cutting settings, so nobody should be able to notice a difference in 99 % of cases. And then new stampers with the new code have to be made as well.

GeorgeZ_CZ
New "galvanoplasty code" (letters just after the slash) means a new cut was made, either a lacquer one (rarely) or a dmm one. It is done typically when stampers are worn out and the positive metal part, either a nickel mother or a copper DMM plate, is not available anymore (reissues) or has been damaged during the manufacturing process or warehousing, and no new stampers with the same code can be produced. It should have been cut with the exactly same mastering/cutting settings, so nobody should be able to notice a difference in 99 % of cases. And then new stampers with the new code have to be made as well.

Thank you for the information! I think it sounds like these should all be merged in that case. I'll report back to the main thread and see if people agree.

Hi GeorgeZ_CZ

Could you please check this one? https://discogs.cinepelis.org/release/12280175
Mastered (plated) at GZ, pressed at Precision?

Here's a question. Do GZ Media press on a sub contract basis for GZ Media. Wondering whether DMS were just acting as a broker here. Looking at their label page, I can see other releases with GZ style runouts. Is this just a coincidence?

Edit, tagging GeorgeZ_CZ to ensure he gets a notification.

DMS works as a manufacturing broker with their EU office placed in nearby Czech town Beroun (since 2013). Several former GZ emploees work there allowing them to have better understanding of our processes, stronger position regarding claims and possibility to supervise the production.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jaroslav-jungman-b0431854
A similar story can be written about Pirates Press EU office (since 2008).
https://www.linkedin.com/in/james-balson-7b822723

GeorgeZ_CZ
DMS works as a manufacturing broker with their EU office placed in nearby Czech town Beroun (since 2013). Several former GZ emploees work there allowing them to have better understanding of our processes, stronger position regarding claims and possibility to supervise the production.

OK, thank you. So DMS are using the same runout format as GZ Media, because there are several former GZ Media employees working there, and also doing work for GZ Media?
The release in question was sent to DMS in Plymouth for processing.

No, DMS is our customer, not a plant. They act as a frontend with maybe better customer service. All physical manufacturing is done at GZ. Our runout info is determined by our galvanoplasty/plating/electroforming processes. DMS or another broker can order any additional text to engrave (e.g. their web or their company name) in runout.

GeorgeZ_CZ
No, DMS is our customer, not a plant.

Thank you, and thank you for fixing the sub.

If somebody wants to ask the right person about MRP pressings, Brian is the guy to ask:
https://www.reddit.com//BrianAtMRP

This looks like a GZ Media pressing, but the stamp seems a bit off?
https://discogs.cinepelis.org/release/6980461

Can someone confirm?

If that's a GZMedia code the release is from 2018, not 2015. Though I don't know if they repress records if they use the original plant code or make a new one.

Smokin_Ace
This looks like a GZ Media pressing, but the stamp seems a bit off?
https://discogs.cinepelis.org/release/6980461

Can someone confirm?

Let's ask Cosmic.Walker, who added the side A runout, to check the runouts on both sides and add the side B runout. It is almost certainly GZ, as the format is right and 129546 fits with 2015 jobs. D as the galvanoplasty code is less usual unless the release sold huge quantities, but there might have been problems with the first plates, or some other reason for ending up with a fourth plate.

It's the E I'm wondering about; That's a 2018 letter code; 2015 is a B.

Of course if the stamp isn't clear a B and E are easy to misread.

cellularsmoke
It's the E I'm wondering about; That's a 2018 letter code; 2015 is a B.

That's for CDs. For vinyl records pressed by GZ, the first letter after the job number is the format code: E is stereo, 12", 33⅓ rpm.

Both Cu plates with /D for A side and /A for B side were cut in 2015. These plates could have been used for production of stampers anytime later.

andrenafulva
That's for CDs. For vinyl records pressed by GZ, the first letter after the job number is the format code: E is stereo, 12", 33⅓ rpm

Woops, you're right. I spend most of my time with CDs. Nevermind me.

Hi, I checked my copy and added side B runout, which is so imperceptible that I haven't seen it. Now both runouts are 100% accurate.

cellularsmoke no worries; easily done.

hey GeorgeZ_CZ

any idea what this refers to?
179009H1/A 10-85188 / DM-003 - A

from Pictureplane x Wicca Phase Springs Eternal - Sex Trigger (Burn In Heaven)

7" and 10" are pressed here at GZ. Therefore Manufactured By PRP, Pressed By GZ Media

Nevermind. George responded.

GeorgeZ_CZ
7" and 10" are pressed here at GZ. Therefore Manufactured By PRP, Pressed By GZ Media

thank you

there are 2 colour variations of this 7" - black and red

both should be:
Pressed By – GZ Media – 179009H
Manufactured By – Precision Record Pressing – 10-85188

?

All 3 variants pressed by GZ

Hello George, could you please confirm if https://discogs.cinepelis.org/Metric-Live-It-Out/release/12895530 was pressed at Precision or GZ?

Is there a "Made in Canada" note anywhere on your record or its jacket? You have the answer...

Ah ok. Thanks for the info.

Needs help at Frank Carter & The Rattlesnakes - Blossom
Matrix / Runout (Runout, side A, stamped ): IDC002LP-A 134167E1/C
Matrix / Runout (Runout, side B, stamped ): IDC002LP-B 134167E2/D

and Frank Carter & The Rattlesnakes - Blossom
Matrix / Runout (Side A Stamped ): IDC002LP-A 134167E1/B
Matrix / Runout (Side B Stamped ): IDC002LP-B 134167E2/A

Merge or not, Repress or not?
Pls take a look at the history.
Thx GeorgeZ_CZ

If the one is known to be reissued in 2019, then it should be tagged with reissue and repress.

I would vote no on the merge.

GeorgeZ_CZ - I have a question about the runouts of 2 releases as this is the first time I've noticed this....and not entirely sure the if data is accurate.

Releases Le Butcherettes - Bi / Mental have the same GZ number - 184286E

I have Gang of Youths - The Positions and can that the runouts listed are what is on my release - the other album I'm not sure of, but it doesn't look like a copy to draft issue where the wrong data was copied over to all releases.

I'm just making sure this is accurate or has it even come up on other releases.

184268E1 - 184268E4 are the correct numbers for Gang of Youths - The Positions. You can see a typo in the runout info for the A side, the other sides are correct. If it is exactly 184286E1 present on your record then some kind of a human error during the engraving process on its Cu master plate had to be made.

GeorgeZ_CZ
184268E1 - 184268E4 are the correct numbers for Gang of Youths - The Positions. You can see a typo in the runout info for the A side, the other sides are correct. If it is exactly 184286E1 present on your record then some kind of a human error during the engraving process on its Cu master plate had to be made.

yep...it was a typo. My random dyslexia and confirming runouts by flashlight failed that night. Thanks.

Hello,
is it possible that bootlegs are pressed in GZ? Like Metallica - Live at Winston Farm, Saugerties, NY August 13th, 1994. Or is it official relase and DOL has rights to release Metallica?

And what was the role of GZ Media on release Roger Waters - Amused To Death?

Thank you

1] See their DOL page here at Discogs: "Specialises in public domain reissues." So please ask Abraxas and MiruMir/Vinylogy LLC for more details about this release. We have almost no possibility to their claims esp. for live performances as many of them (almost all we press) are PD now - live FM broadcasts etc. And copyright laws may be different for US, Malta, Cyprus, Russia, UK...

Some discussions about DOL and legality of their releases is here:
https://discogs.cinepelis.org/forum/thread/700836
You can ask there. Of course, we will cooperate with lawyers in case of any legal actions against a suspicious company.

2] See this release pressed at GZ: https://discogs.cinepelis.org/Roger-Waters-Amused-To-Death/release/7272383
Probably some stampers from a mother used for this PD release were sent from GZ to QRP for their pressing...

Hi there,
reposting here (forgot we had a GZ FAQ thread):
Question about the respective role of GZ and Precision on current Universal pressings:
Runouts will typically include IDs for both.
And you'll find one pressing marked as Made in Canada (with North American B00 cat#).
And you'll find one pressing marked as Made in the EU (with European 006 cat#).

eg:
• North American edition: Madonna - Madame X (this one lacking runouts)
• European edition: Madonna - Madame X (this one with confirmed runouts)

• made in the EU all over the release: Billie Eilish - When We All Fall Asleep, Where Do We Go?
• made in Canada sticker (not documented, but once merged with an entry that mentioned the sticker): Billie Eilish - When We All Fall Asleep, Where Do We Go?
= same runouts with what we recognise as both GZ and Precision job numbers

• made in the EU all over the release: Janet Jackson - The Velvet Rope
• made in Canada sticker- no runouts but they'll likely be the same: Janet Jackson - The Velvet Rope
"Euro" edition was recently updated by GeorgeZ_CZ with:
Manufactured By - Precision
Pressed By - GZ

Is that something we can all agree with:
• Made in EU on release = Pressed By GZ / Manufactured By Precision
• US edition / Made in Canada = Pressed by Precision and which role, if any, for GZ?

Should the profiles be updated accordingly?

Thanks!

Yes. Our "galvanoplasty" numbers mean we were involved in preparing stampers, often also producing nickel mothers and processing lacquers or DMM master plates. Therefore Mastered At should be used for GZ when Made in Canada sticker is present.

I have just read the whole of this thread and, since I see no mention of 'Made In Canada' on my copy, still wonder if these recent edits are just a guess or not to be considered 'complex' multi-coloured vinyl pressings: South Of Reality

Sometimes customers decide to re-use older master plates or stampers originally used for GZ pressing for one of our MRP / PRP / SNA sister plants and then no additional engraving can be seen (no MRP-, no 10-xxxx)... But not very often...
As time goes and our sister plants are improving regarding more complex pressings, you will see more and more of them pressed outside GZ.
"Made in ... " is a good source of info for Pressing At tag. However, it still may not be 100% as it depends on the label and/or decision of the customer/broker.

I posted this query in the runout thread and was directed here...

I have just updated this release, The War On Drugs - A Deeper Understanding.
Matrix / Runout (Side A etched & stamped ): RKS STERLING 159213E1/A3 ST -561934 A-1 MPO A
Matrix / Runout (Side B etched & stamped ): RKS STERLING 159213E2/A1 ST-561934 B-1 MPO B
Matrix / Runout (Side C etched & stamped ): RKS STERLING ST- 561934 C-1 RE MPO
Matrix / Runout (Side D etched & stamped ): RKS STERLING ST- 561934 D-1 MPO

Sides A & B show GZ and MPO
Sides C & D only show MPO

On sides C & D there are three concentric circles around the spindle hole - so that one is pressed by MPO but on sides A & B there's no circles - seems odd that the two records would be pressed at separate locations and the packaged together.
Is there a chance they're both pressed by MPO and record one was mastered / plated at GZ?